Posted by
DaveC on Friday, August 11, 2006 4:53:02 PM
Regarding the post below, War and Politics, I have been
asked two questions: 1. What
about Muslims within Western cities, of whom there are
millions, and, 2. Where to begin.
The tone of both was that perhaps nothing can be done
against those Muslims living in
London or Paris,
for example, or Los Angeles or Detroit. And, that, while it would be
nice to begin in Iran, terrorists are non-state
actors.
The questions are excellent. But they assume an alternative
to fighting this fanatical
tyranny. I am unaware of one not based in Western cultural
mores -- e.g. assuming the
enemy has a goal which can be negotiated toward, met, and we
can all get along. But that
is not a workable alternative. Using only Western
assumptions to fight a civilizational
war will not work.
It seems at first glance that the query assumes, while not a
silver bullet, a quick answer
and result. There isn't one.
While I agree that the enemy military forces – policy tools
-- are non-state actors, the
enemy are the societies in which they prosper, and these
societies are not non-state actors.
It is Iran
that is equipping Hezbollah and Hamas. Saudi Arabia providing spiritual
guidance and money. Lebanon
and Syria
allowing transit to forces attacking democracy
and liberty.
Killing those states would necessarily lessen the violence
against the West in the long
run. It would disrupt civilian support and financing,
transport and travel. It likely also
would localize much of the violence temporarily, making more
of the enemy easier to
destroy.
And it would show them we are deadly serious, something they
know not to be the case
now.
Do we then have another Iraq
guerrilla war, this time in Riyadh
or Teheran? Recall my
statement about PGMs. Had we lacked PGMs and carpet-bombed Baghdad, we would be
much, much farther along toward our goal. War, not police
action, is required. Three
years after Berlin and Hiroshima we were farther along than we now are in Baghdad, and
the weapons of war were the reason.
You also can’t have a guerrilla war in a city that has
ceased to exist.
Where do we attack? Riyadh,
Jeddah, Teheran first. If necessary perhaps Damascus,
Cairo.
Perhaps even Jalalabad. These are the locus points of the enemy society. These
must be destroyed, both because that’s where the enemy is,
and because not destroying
them would be like attacking Germany
and Japan and not attacking Berlin and Tokyo
- -
unserious and detrimental to the overall effort.
We were bombing Berlin and Tokyo long before we got to Germany
or Japan
with
ground forces. On our way to those capitals lots of other
societies and peoples had to bear
the brunt of that fighting in their cities and towns because
they had let the bad guys take
over - just as have the countries of Western
Europe now. We very well may see urban
fighting, and perhaps on a large scale, in some Western
cities.
Training in this war is done in Mosques and Madrassas –
nearly all of which, as I
understand it, are funded by Saudis. All it takes to train a
suicide bomber is to make
him/her a zealot - and then strap on a bomb. All it takes to
blow a bunch of planes out of
the air is an OAG and a will -- and some liquid explosives.
We're not talking about
D-Day-like logistics. Unless we keep waiting.
We also pretend that this war is "asymmetrical" in
our favor and so treat it like a game
with statistics and general unseriousness – as though there
is no question we will win;
that we need only set the parameters of the victory.
This is incorrect. Given the fact of inconvenience (terrorists will not leave this battlefield due to
the inconvenience of the fight - we will), it is asymmetrical in THEIR favor.
There is an excellent line in the book/movie “Gardens of
Stone.” The veteran sergeant,
back from VietNam
and now training new soldiers tells some recruits about VC attacking
a helo with bow and arrows. The recruits wonder how we can
lose to people like that; the
sergeant looks at him and asks, “How can you beat people
like that?” That, of course, is the
question of the age.
The logical first step in the West is to close all the
mosques and madrassas and begin
deporting those who become violent about it. Can we suspend
the First Amendment and
remain Americans? Lincoln
dropped habeus corpus and saved America.
FDR interned
100,000 Japanese-Americans. We have not ceased being
Americans.
The biggest part of the problem is in treating Islam as a
religion alone. It is not. It is a
competing form of government, a fanatically tyrannical one,
one which also happens to
have a deity. Treating it solely as a religion in the
Western sense is fundamentally
incorrect, and now is bordering on suicidal.
Limited warfare will not work: a modern society cannot drive barbarians from the
battlefield through
inconvenience, period. (Limited war also is a Western concept
preached by multicultis who know
no better, btw.)
At some point Teheran will have a bomb and blow up some
Western city. At that point
this Republican president would blow up Teheran. (I really
have no idea what a
Democrat or other Republican would do.)
In seriousness: why wait? It isn’t as though years and years
of diplomacy have slowed
Iran’s
nuclear quest. It isn’t as though they all will become Western Liberals once
they
have the bomb. How many need to die because we won't act
now?
Ahmadinejad already has told us what he’ll do with a bomb,
just as did Hitler, in Mein
Kampf. Has he given us any reason to disbelieve him? Then why do we?
Waiting through the 1930s gave us 50M+ dead people. We had
to go to war anyway. This
is the same – we’re in the ‘30s again, with a similarly
ineffectual world body pretending
to knowledge. And a similarly elite Western civilization
pretending there are alternatives
to war.
There aren’t.
As to Western cities, like London? Through inaction they have become the
frog in the
pot. A frog tossed into a pot of boiling water, jumps out. A
frog tossed into a pot of cold
water just placed on the stove swims around until it is
cooked. Western society is
swimming in a pot that was cold until 1979 (thank you, Jimmy Carter), has been
heating
up since, and now is coming to a boil. Are we going to realize it and jump out?
Or will our societies be the ones destroyed? Our military tool certainly cannot
be
beaten, but our societies still can lose this war.
We never lost a single battle in VietNam, btw.
Like the frog, Western Europe
probably has waited too long to jump out. Ask those living
in the suburbs of Paris or Amsterdam.
Given the enemy and its presence throughout the West, this
war will result in hard
fighting, lots of deaths, and lots of disruption. Starting
at the center, however, not only is
the only logical way to go, it is the only serious way to
get started. You don't leave
in-place the capitals and monuments of the enemy
as places of worship, symbols of purpose
or a boost of morale when you are trying to kill those
societies. You destroy the
monuments. And you destroy the societies that erected them.
How demoralized would we be if an enemy began by destroying
the monuments in DC?
Much more than if they left them for us to rally around -
even if only symbolically.
One hopes and thinks that the destruction of Saudi Arabia and Iran (their governments
and cities, not their oil fields, which can be overtaken
quickly by the huge numbers of
Western oil companies that would be ready, willing and able
to do so under protection –
I am aware of the economic argument, as well), would presage
the "coming out" of large
numbers of local terrorists in cities around the world,
bringing them into the open to be
killed.
As in the 1930s, we have waited longer than we should have
to deal with the situation –
but that does not mean it cannot, or must not be dealt with.
It just will be more expensive
in blood and treasure than otherwise could have been the
case with mature leadership,
civilizational confidence, and an educated franchise in the US.
I was asked this morning, "What do they want?"
Very simple - they want what Islam
historically has wanted when it has encountered infidels -
death or conversion. “Getting
along” is not on their agenda. They have no other goals – no
treasure they desire, no land
they need, no resources they lack and want.
Just as Hitler wanted war and did everything he could to get
it, Islamists want war - and
are waging it now.
And the longer we wait, the more expensive it will become.
This fight isn’t going away.